23-05-2010, 05:49 | #861 |
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Rubis / Amethyste performances modification request :
Speed : 29 kts Rubis / 32 kts Amethyste (For game play like los flt III) Max depth : 500 m for both hulls (for game play like los Flt III) Sonar : Equivalent to los Flt III for game play Noise radiation : Equivalent to los Flt I for Amethyste / For Rubis in between Alfa and Akula I Information based on enslited personnel not giving real figures but figures that will be closer to reality than existing parameters in RAmod. FTL torpedoes are a reality in french navy it is just a matter of time. Lets not sacrifice game play F17 mod 2 are out of date and will soon be replaced |
23-05-2010, 11:57 | #862 | |
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Hi Nemo, I'm great thanks for asking. I knew you would not agree with me. I should have been more precise then, the basic design is old. You can only enhance so much before you start reaching diminishing returns and have to design a whole new unit. No amount of modernisation can bring a Rubis to Virgina or Seawolf class status. No matter how whishfull one is. If it were possibile then navies would just continue to improve on old designs. And thats not how it works. On the other hand, having correct "values" for the Rubis in DW is a must. So if you have found that the values that are being used are totally incorrect then by all means give the modders the "more or less correct values". I'm sure they would be happy to comply with such a request. For the weapons, it is what it is. The Rubis class will never ever have the Black Shark. And as someone on mille-sabords noted, the mod makes the F 17 torpedo in the game more deadly than its real counterpart. Correcting the Rubis is a must, putting fantasy weapons on it is not. So we are left with players wanting a french unit that carries the black shark (a heavyweight ASW/AsuW torpedo). Inserting in the game the Suffren class as cool as it would be, from a realistic point of view doesn't make a lot of sense since its not even being built. Its a concept, yes it will be the french navy next generation SSN. But not right now and not for several more years. The only other french sub that carries the black shark and is operational is the Scorpene class. Now before Lau comes in and says that he doesn't want another Agosta class sub (but the game doesn't have Agosta class playable subs dear Lau), all modern diesel electric subs (Kilos excluded) in the game are modeled as nuclear subs. The reason being that its the only way to make them access the towed array. The only difference between real nuclear subs and fake nuclear subs in the game is the top speed. So for all pratical purposes, the Harushio, the Collins, the Type 212 are castrated nuclear subs. They have no battery penalty etc... And neither would a hypothetical Scorpene. The only limit it would have would be its top speed obviously. I'd say that the Scorpene class makes much more sense in DW than the Barracuda class. To finish, the Red October is a fantasy unit and you're correct on that point Lau. But the modders didn't just put the Red October, they also put real life like Typhoons for realistic missions. The Red October is present as an homage to a great film (that talks about submarines). Its like having Jules Verne's Nautilus in the game. Not realistic, but just fun to have. Last week Betasom designed a mission to relive the Hunt for the Red October. And what better place than to use the Red October model ? And a great mission it was. |
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23-05-2010, 12:39 | #863 |
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Hi goldorak
My speech is not in order to include a suffren or BlackShark, or put a ruby equal to a Seawolf. For me the most important thing is get closer to reality as possible without compromising the gameplay At first it is necessary to differentiate the class ruby of Class amethyste The Amethyste is more efficient. And the ruby class has been improved to the amethyste standard during IPER In fact each submarine of the same class is different from each other and they are not necessarily the same capacities. Ex: some los angeles FLT II go to 30 kts and the other at 35kts and yet they are all FLTII It is the role of the modder to find a compromise between the best submarine of a class and the worst. That's why I propose the following settings for amethyste: For the noise radiation they are the equivalent of a 688 FLT II For speed and immersion it's 30kt 500M It's the average between the best of our SNA and the "worst" For info: A améthyste carry 18 weapons, 14 in stock 4 in tubes. It's a mix between F17Mod2/SM-39/mine..........and the head of Zidane Normally each SNA carries 2 blackshark and 4 for the SNLE...But I've never seen so I can not say. |
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You are talking about realism and I talk about realism + game play (we are not far away) Цитата:
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You know dont worry, you will be allowed to use the Suffren as well during international events if you play on the french side, again it is just for game play Greetings, Lau Последний раз редактировалось Lau; 23-05-2010 в 14:58. |
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23-05-2010, 13:24 | #865 | ||
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Do you have some link that say otherwise ? |
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23-05-2010, 14:22 | #866 | |
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French are part with Italians in the developpement of the Blackshark, why would they not use it in their navy to protect their home land...? |
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23-05-2010, 14:35 | #867 |
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No link is just information I learned from a friend submariner.
My last trip in a SNA was a few years old and at the time there was no BlackShark. they boarded two for testing and exercice, but probably not for operationnal use, however i think(hope) the cdt is not stupide and if he must engage another submarine, he use in priority the BS because the F17 is really bad... |
23-05-2010, 16:36 | #868 |
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Bug report on detection
With Sturgeon long:
At 7nm cruise ship moving 15kts no visual clue on the waterfall when switched to spherical array. (but nois is present) Contact is seen on broadband only on the lower display (with higher time compressions) contact can be maintained on narrowband You need to be closer than 5nm to see a fiant line appear at last... Is this due to some hard coding or to the noise scale in database in you opinion? |
23-05-2010, 19:04 | #869 |
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I think that addition of non-existing units to game is wrong thing. better add enterprise from startreck! for game-play!
startrek. i want to drive Sierra-class submarines. this type REALLY EXIST instead of suffern. but this perfect submarine not included to addon! |
23-05-2010, 19:32 | #870 |
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Sierra-class is almost perfect, but it is not the major part in Russian sub-force, besides, there already so many Rus-subs in DWX, other part of world should have some place in the game-------I think, French design is elegance and unique , we should have a taste
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23-05-2010, 19:56 | #871 |
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yeah, is very "elegance and unique"))) see advantages and dis-advantages of rubis below:
adv: small, based on agosta hull-type. -low costs of building and exploitation dis-adv: -small, not anough free space for modernization and new equipment. - small operational depth (no more than 350 meters) - absence of anti-sonar coatings (evidences of russian navy-officers, during joint exercises) - hight lewel of magnetic field (the same source) -only four torpedo tubes -high noise lewel some russians experts compare rubis to november-class. is only good torpedoes gives rubis advantages against november. |
23-05-2010, 21:09 | #872 | ||
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Video http://www.corlobe.tk/article6955.html Article http://www.corlobe.tk/article6953.html (French) Article http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4158841 (English) Цитата:
Последний раз редактировалось Lau; 23-05-2010 в 22:28. |
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23-05-2010, 21:37 | #873 | |
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If you would know if a submarine has a pumpjet or not here is a lot of pictures http://forummarine.forumactif.com/fr...a-t4089-30.htm |
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23-05-2010, 22:27 | #874 |
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Good points Nemo waiwe the flag.
The acoustic detection suite of the French subs is not as bad as other characteristics, being selected over German competition quite often by Diesel sub buyers. |
23-05-2010, 22:35 | #875 |
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i mean Rubis not sufren when i've compared. of course, sufren will be perfect and functional, but it will in 2016. i think, that mod-team should include only existing and "well known" subs, not perspective. may be, sufren,like rubis, firstly will have some problems (its usual situation with newest types of any mechanisms) i perfectly understand, it just game, but "simulator", how can we simulate non-existing subs? may be we'll want to add some russian perspective subs, like graney or borey, or others unrealesed projects like "957-Kedr" or "958-Afalina"?
personally i'm prefare drive old subs, like victors of sturgeons. it help me to think much and be patient. does we are guilty what France built only 3 types of nuclear subs? if you want to win your battles, use old designs against rubis, as she was constructed against victors of charlies. lets add to the game dark-star, only for gameplay!!! now we only have awesome pictures of sufren insted of really existed graney, which will be launched within month. |
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You are not the one playing with very low performances sub, belive me if all Russian or American subs had the same problem we French have, I am sure you will be on our side. By the way the invitation to join our games was serious, we need more players willing to play in Victor I, II Greetings, Lau |
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23-05-2010, 23:08 | #877 |
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Bug report
When playing with Amethyste, and probably also Rubis, we experience game crash after variable time, but seems to occur in any case.
Do you think that a particular characteristic of these new playables may cause it? Solved by a fix in the interfaces that was not installed by one of the players, please consider this bug settled, thanks to te team for the fix. By the way may we get some information on the work in progress after you fixed the "flying icebergs"? Последний раз редактировалось dd149; 24-05-2010 в 11:51. |
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that forum is a real treasure trove. I've bookmarked it and started reading some threads. Real cool stuff. |
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