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Старый 26-11-2008, 09:46   #1
CrazyIvan
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Arrow -ReinForce Alert - worldwide discussion

Here begins feedback concerning the contents of addition -Reinforce Alert-

For our forbidden colleagues...

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Updated 21.09.2017
Addon Reinforce Alert ver.1.43 [~281 Mb]:
https://yadi.sk/d/EWBoBGNs3N6YtC

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Russian Voices Mod ( ver 1.8 ) For 1.43 DWX [28 Mb] Updated 23.07.2017:
Compatible with Reinforce Alert version 1.42 and above.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8z...?usp=drive_web

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01.10.2012. Updated For SubCommand (for SCX2C Modification)
12.06.2017. Updated #2 for 688 Hunter/Killer english ver. 1.05-1.07:

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Старый 27-04-2017, 19:20   #2461
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In my opinion, very good decision. More accurate historically and better for balancing MP missions from Cold War era.


THANK YOU
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Старый 28-04-2017, 11:44   #2462
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Akulas weapon downloads have been fixed. External tubes are now unavailable for charging - as these carry only countermeasures (Always loaded with MG-74 KORUND). The Akula-1 improved, Akula-2 and Akula-3: torpedoes 65-76 were removed, as the Russian fleet abandoned these weapons. Now only the Akula-1 has torpedoes 65-76 and a set of weapons as in the presented screenshots.
hi, crazyivan, its me, dyshman (new account there). I think it is bad decision to give to the Akula-I old soviet torpedoes like SAET-60M and TEST-71. SAET it is soviet copy of T-V Zaunkenig german WWII torpedo, are soviet sailors gone crazy in this case? (http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-467.html )
Akula it is second type of "third generation" of soviet subs (after Sierra-type) and should be equipped with modern (1980-era) weapons like USET-80 torpedoes at least.
Also, Akula-I does not have external tubes, only internal.
I think, the best loadout for the Akula-I is next:
1. USET-80 (designed especially for new subs, VICTOR-III have it also, but older)
2. SHKVAL
3. Korund MG-74 (in internal tubes, because AKULA-I never been aquipped with external tubes)
4. Mines
5. Starfish ASW-rocket (both variants: nuclear and torpedo-equipped)
6. Sampson LAM
7. 65-76
8. Stallion ASW-rocket (designed in two variants: 1969(year) -version with APR-3 torpedos and 1984(year) - version with nuclear charge)
9. without any ASM missiles ( 533-mm caliber soviet anti ship missiles for submarines during 1980-era have not been created yet), but this question can be discussed for game-play purposes. if we need to fill all cells, we can add SET-65, TEST-71 or mine's from Victor's.

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Старый 28-04-2017, 20:20   #2463
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Akula-I does not have external tubes, only internal.
I think, the best loadout for the Akula-I is next:
1. USET-80 (designed especially for new subs, VICTOR-III have it also, but older)
2. SHKVAL
3. Korund MG-74 (in internal tubes, because AKULA-I never been aquipped with external tubes)
4. Mines
5. Starfish ASW-rocket (both variants: nuclear and torpedo-equipped)
6. Sampson LAM
7. 65-76
8. Stallion ASW-rocket (designed in two variants: 1969(year) -version with APR-3 torpedos and 1984(year) - version with nuclear charge)
9. without any ASM missiles ( 533-mm caliber soviet anti ship missiles for submarines during 1980-era have not been created yet), but this question can be discussed for game-play purposes. if we need to fill all cells, we can add SET-65, TEST-71 or mine's from Victor's.
I completly agree with that. First Akula with external tubes was Akula I improved. I think, loadout for Akula I improved should be also changed.

My proposition for Akula I improved:
- add CLUB SSM
- rest like Akula I (with 65-67)

Most of players in modern scenarios takes only Akula II or Akula III. Those versions don't need any changes (exceptions - remove 65-67)
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Старый 28-04-2017, 20:51   #2464
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of course, Akula-s without old torpedoes like SAET-60M and Test-71-best variant for us.
i think, we dont need to delete 65-76 for gameplay from any akulas. obviously all akulas, exept Gepard and Chakra, need be equipped with 65-76. UGST only at Akula-II and newer
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Старый 28-04-2017, 23:02   #2465
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Akula-I does not have external tubes, only internal.
It's not true.
Only 3 of 8 Akulas-I not have external tubes (K-284, К-263, К-322).
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Старый 03-05-2017, 07:57   #2466
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of course, Akula-s without old torpedoes like SAET-60M and Test-71-best variant for us.
i think, we dont need to delete 65-76 for gameplay from any akulas. obviously all akulas, exept Gepard and Chakra, need be equipped with 65-76. UGST only at Akula-II and newer
Akula-II and Akula-III were removed 65-76. However, this was replaced by a Stallion SS-N-16, with tactical depth charge (88P modification missile) - ASW primary and ASuW as an alternative mission.


The question about whether the Akula-I must has external tubes still actual.

Half of the subs in this class have outer tubes, the other does not. What decision to choose - install a tubes or delete?


I do not want to divide Akula-I class into 2 subclasses, with external tubes and without them.

PS: Could be a vote to resolve this issue ? As you say the most votes - and will be done.
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Старый 03-05-2017, 14:40   #2467
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For me better is Akula I from very early design (without external tubes) because currently in RA, we have many similar to each other versions of Akulas. In other hand, Akula I with or without external tubes haven't great impact for balance (if only Korund allowed).

My vote:
Akula I without external tubes

K-284 was launched in 1984. Fourth of Akula I (K-420) was launched 5 years later and I do not know if she was from the beginning with external tubes. (Maybe it was later modernisation?)

If in DW we have so many variants of Akula, I think we should to choose very early for Akula I and latest (with supersonic Sizzlers) for most sophisticated Akula III.
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Старый 03-05-2017, 15:14   #2468
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Hi Crazy Ivan,

my suggestion is that Akula I, should not have external tubes. So for a mission designer the new RA will give a variety of choice.

So in this case we could have:

- early version of Akula I - more silent than Victors
- better Akula I Improved - with external tubes and subsonic missiles
- good Akula II - with ultimate supersonic Sizzlers and UGST
- excelent Akula III

My concern is the wired torpedoes that will be available for Russian subs.
So far we have only:

TEST-71 - short range and UGST - modern weapon.

Is there any other option ? I am not a specialist.
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Старый 04-05-2017, 03:36   #2469
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I vote no tubes
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Старый 05-05-2017, 17:05   #2470
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Amazing job, guys! Thank you!

I also vote for no external tubes in Akula I.
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Старый 07-05-2017, 13:32   #2471
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I vote no tubes too.
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Старый 07-05-2017, 19:01   #2472
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no tubes
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Старый 13-05-2017, 02:21   #2473
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I have been advocating this excellent mod to the small group of Chinese DW funs, however lack of official patch is causing confusion.
I do not understand how the Chinese group did not notice such an outstanding bug - how can it be impossible to launch any missile from the Chinese SHANG class?

Maybe you are not a Chinese group at all?
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Старый 13-05-2017, 10:57   #2474
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haha

that 's a so noisy sub..... I trid only one time and never touch it again.
and there 's not too many in our group. so far no one do the translation job. so evern the few people instrested find it difficult to learn.
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Старый 13-05-2017, 14:22   #2475
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This is not a loud sub - at the level of the Sierra-2. At high speeds, even quieter than the Sierra-2.
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Старый 13-05-2017, 19:42   #2476
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This is not a loud sub - at the level of the Sierra-2. At high speeds, even quieter than the Sierra-2.
I have old noise comparison chart (attachment). Is any chance for newer version?
How to make it or how to check single sub/surf?
I can view object in editor but i don't know how to interpret information from database.
For example LA Flt III have:
LA Imp SSN 59 61 62 64 65 66 66 67 68 68 68 69 69 70 70 70 70 71 71 71 71 71 71 72 72 72 72 72 72 72 72 72 73
(from my old RA_Noise_chart - from 0 kts to 32 kts)

but in editor it looks:
LA FLT III:
Passive sonar SL: 57
and
Thrust: 0057 688(i) +16



By the way:

1) Shang class is very interesting sub - in my opinion good choice because chinese navy in DW have many surfs, subs nad other units. I did not to use yet this submarine because I did not make any mission with SHANG but i have some ideas for future.

2) Polish community love to play older platforms like:
- all FLT of LA
- all (RU) Kilo classes
- Akula I and I imp
- all Victor classes
- all Sturgeon
- Udaloy
- Alfa
- Perry
- Il - 38
- S-3 Viking

Most of them are typical Cold War platforms.

We uses also modern platforms (but not too often) like:
- Type 212 IT/DE
- LADA
- Bergamini

Sometimes we play:
- Harushio (very nice TA for SSK)
- Trafalgar
- Rubis/Amethyste

Very unpopular platforms:
- Seawolf
- Virginia
- Akula III
- Trenchant

I think new Mike class would be nice addition for Cold War OOB.

3) For me RA sill suffers from lack of surface ASW units. I know this task is much harder than adding new submarines and of coures i know that Udaloy/ Bergamnini are some kind of compromise. In other hand i think ASW frigates like british Type 21 (Broadsword class) are within reach for RA TEAM

Keep up your great work. Because all of you (RA TEAM) DW is my favorite game all of time.

Thank you RA TEAM
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Тип файла: 7z RA_NOISE_Submarine.7z (60.2 Кб, 22 просмотров)
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Старый 13-05-2017, 21:07   #2477
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in our group, at weekend, before only 3 active players would have fun for mutliplay.....we prefer advanced/new subs.....
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Старый 13-05-2017, 22:19   #2478
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Type 093 is quite modern sub.

We prefer older ones because DW have very old engine which not allows to implement modern ASW mechanics (like multistatic detection, advanced countermeasures, proper ECM and many, many other things). Also lack of modern units for AI or modernised versions of warships with newest sensors is problematic for playing too advanced platforms.

Does your group sometimes want to play with us? We are often on Discord DWLD channel.
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Старый 13-05-2017, 23:41   #2479
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TO: Pepe

There are 2 more points added to the cBaseNoise. Therefore, 59 value summaru are obtained.
Such a profile gives a smaller increase in noise at high speeds - as you can see the interval 70-73 is very wide. That is, at high speeds, the noise is more-less constant.

For surface ships, the formula for calculating the noise gain - is linear.
For submarines, the noise is calculated according to the logarithmic formula.

PS: Akula-III, Seawolf etc.
For these platforms, simply large operational distances are needed.
And accordingly - an equivalent opponent.
It is clear that the Victors, not a rival for Seawolf.

Knowledge - at what depth to launch a torpedo. That it emits the smallest noise, and thus - to take the enemy by surprise. This is a great art.


One interesting document from my library
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Старый 14-05-2017, 00:11   #2480
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Ok, I will check this in excel.

Thx
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